Troy McNaughtonBashing America is becoming more fashionable.
February 8th 2008 13:27
Our beloved friends from Australia, Canada, and others are getting in on the bashing America over water boarding. They are now calling America a terrorist state. Well with friends like these who needs enemies.
To hear them tell it, you would think that America is the cause of all the worlds problems. You know it is nice to see all these Superior Moral giants stand up for the little guy here(The Terrorist). Never should a poor defenseless terrorist be subjected to anything other than lavish life style at Gitmo.
These Moral friends, doesn’t support water boarding, and neither do I torture is wrong. They have let their voices ring with displeasure for America, and the Bush Administration liken it to Satan or some evil regime.
But sadly these same Superior Moral giants doesn’t feel the same way about the terrorist it seems that America is worse, because of three incidence of water boarding on terrorist no less, that proved to saved lives.
You see America is bad because of water boarding, but the terrorist is not bad because they torture innocent civilians with.
Beheading and then posting it on a demonic website for the world to see.
Blowing up cars in market places and killing women, and children.
Suicide bombers blowing themselves up and kill innocent people.
Flying airplanes into building and kill thousands of people.
Raping young girls and women.
Using women and children as human shields.
Kidnapping and torture.
Civil rights violations.
Preaching hate in the mosques.
Roadside bombs that kill our troops.
Cowardly ambushes, and murder of public figures that support democracy.
And the list goes on.
I would like to ask our moral friends a question what if? You had knowledge, but needed more information about an attack some where, and your husband, wife, children, mother, or father was in great danger of being killed.
You had the power to get the answers you needed by water boarding someone would you do it to save your loved ones, or would you let them die?
My answer is I will do anything possible to save my family, because I love them.
At least I am being honest.
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Comment by Anonymous
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At least I am being honest.
Yes - you are, and it shows how foolish we are to ever pretend we have God's ear or to speak in His name, does it not?
Comment by Damo
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by our love.
And they will know we are Christians by our love.
Vote One Lester as Grand Inquisitor.
Comment by Lester Caudill
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Yes I am a pastor and I do have a flock, and I do preach Love, but I am human as, I think you might be, but I am not sure.
As I said I don't support torture, I don't support the terrorist either if you are going to condemn the US you sure better Condemn the terrorist in the same breath or it makes you look like you support them.
Am I evil because I love my family? If you don't love your family your are just plain useless.
Comment by Lester Caudill
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Why is so hard to admit that the terrorist are bad? Rather than blaming the US for every thing under the sun I am just sick of the Bush, and US bashing I am not going to stay silent any more.
You can use the straw man quote all you want but be fair at least and tell both sides. Quite blaming the United States for all the worlds problems.
Remember we were attacked repeatedly by the terrorist before we did anything how much more should the US take before fighting back.
So because I am a Christian and I stand up for America I am a bad Christian, but because the Muslims attack us, and kill Americans they are good Muslims.
Let me say this one more time I don't support torture, but as a father, and husband I would defend my family with everything I have wouldn't you?
Our leaders have our safety in their hands, and what ever it takes to keep us safe I hope they do it, and if a terrorist get his feelings hurt in the process well he will get over it.
I hope the leaders of your company feels the same if not you need new leaders.
Comment by Damo
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I feel safer already.
Where can I indulge in the sacrament of torture?
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Comment by JohnDoe
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God condones torture under special circumstances.? He may not encourage it but certainly sees it as an acceptable weapon in the quest for peace and harmony.
Part of being a perfect vessel of gods love is to not protest violence and war but instead see it as a neccesary evil? (Refering to "Be ye Perfect")
In response to the question of "why" we criticise the U.S, the phrase "Lead by example" is a great place to start.
To even think that to question US policy is to support terrorism is ridiculous. Of course terrorism is wrong, what varies is how much of a threat it is to the globe and the acceptable amount of casualties of war on both sides. The problem is how we allies go about combating a threat to personal liberty. Do we fight fire with fire inevitably becoming that which we despise?
Comment by Lester Caudill
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Or the pictures of our marines being dragged dead through the streets, or the images of the dead bodies being hanged from a bridge.
Which is worse? The image of a man having water poured on him, or the images of death and destruction, but it doesn't bother you because the death and destruction was American suffering not terrorist.
Comment by Lester Caudill
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We don't ask that anyone follow the US if the rest of the world wants to give special treatment to terrorist that's their business.
I do not support water boarding but the point is lost on haters of the US that can see nothing but blind prejudice of the US, but where is your contempt Iran, Russia, and the rest of the countries that are terrorist supporters.
No it's blame America, which has done nothing but good for the rest of the world, and is the defend of freedom. Where would you and your countries be if it wasn't for the US?
Comment by Damo
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Lester I fail to see how the suffering of American's is more important than the suffering of this person. American's have no special place above any other nation on Earth.
These are also victims of terrorism.
Of course if you only care about American's then this man and his dead family are not so important.
Your argument is as flawed as your warped morality.
Please let me know specifically which religion you belong to so that I can warn my children to stay away.
Comment by Lester Caudill
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Seems to me you want to dance around the question and the reality. All terrorism is wrong, and you must be reading headlines instead the part I say I don't support torture, my problem with you is your contempt for America while giving the terrorist a free pass.
Damo you could not bring yourself to have any compassion for America could you. Lets face it you are a bigot, and a hater of America.
It's your Superior Morality that is wrap, America civilians are no better than other civilian, but surely no less important. But it seems you think that Americans deserves to be kill by terrorist.
I DON'T SUPPORT TORTURE, OR TERRORISM, what part of that don't you understand, and I don't support vicious verbal attacks on America either.
You have failed to address the point, or my question.
The point is why do you blame America while condoning the terrorist?
Would you use any method to save your children if their lives was in danger?
Just simple questions you should have no problem answering.
Let me know your religion so I can show my children that there are religions out there that preaches hate for America.
One more thing Damo if you had put the images that I ask you to put up which would cause you to have more compassion?
The way you have bashed America I am left with the idea you would have gotten please out the suffering of America.
For me all of them not just Americans, but all of them.
Comment by Damo
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It is you who called me a supporter of terrorism for writing a post about water boarding. So please do not start acting as if you are wounded.
It is you who wishes to sell you Christian credentials on your blog. I have the right to question those.
It is you who says on one hand you do not support torture but on the other hand hypocritically say that you would do it. Not even good logic.
It it also you who wishes to white wash and justify what your government has done but hiding behind skirt tails of your flag. Then you use the excuse that there are worse people in the world as justification. Moral degeneration.
It is you that tries to justify torture as being compassionate. Moral repugnance.
At no stage did I ever say people should hate America or Americans. How bizarre that a person who claimed to be the image of Christian virtue would resort to such outlandish and obvious lying.
Now you are asking me to provide you with image of twisted and screaming faces to justify you own case.
Take a deep breath Lester and wake up. I have 20 plus year experience with political fanatics who are 100 times smarter than you. So I can recognize one pretty quickly. Provide your own propaganda you lazy person. I don't dance to your tune.
Now after all of that.
Since when has the water boarding that the CIA did have anything to do with them saving their individual families? How odd that you wish skew the argument in such a perverted manner.
The answer to the question on all torture is simple.
I do not believe in the principle of doing evil so good may follow. Such logic is self defeating and ultimately evil in itself.
Yet you repeatedly say that you believe in such logic.
And another thing. Do not expect Australians to be patriotic Americans. That is is just plain stupid.