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35 years of murder

January 23rd 2008 13:00
As the 35th anniversary of the landmark decision of Roe-v-Wade passes, abortion is reportedly down by at least 25% since 1996. It is the lowest since 1974, which is very good news for Pro-Life supporters. But the numbers may not be as good news as one would think.

While clinical abortion have dropped, the use of an abortion drug called RU-486 is on the rise. About one in five pregnancies still end in abortion. RU-486 is available in clinics, hospitals and doctors offices across the U.S. Fifty-seven percent of all abortion providers offer drug-induced abortions, up 70% from 2001.


The Guttmacher Institute is funded by abortion rights groups but whose data is the standard used by all sides in the debate.

The rise in use of RU-486 is a very troubling trend for anti-abortion groups. Of the 1.2 million abortion preformed in the U.S., 142,600 abortions were performed using the European drug RU-486, known in the United States by its brand name Mifeprex or its chemical name mifepristone.

It is reported that the drug is safe, but some safety concerns still remain, it was approved for use in the U.S. in 2000, but has been used in Europe for some time now. About 6 in 10 abortions are performed within the first eight weeks of pregnancy. RU-486 provides women with an additional way to terminate her pregnancy.

Most of the women seeking abortion are 25 years or older. Of all U.S. women getting abortions, about 54 percent are doing so for the first time, while one-fifth have had at least two previous abortions. Of those over 20, the majority have attended college. Almost a third have been married at some point.

About 60 percent have at least one child; one-third have two or more. There is an disproportionately high number of black, and Hispanic women getting abortions. The most given reason for abortion was financial reasons.


There has been approximately 50,000,000 abortion performed in the United States since the Supreme Court legalized the murder of unborn child. Now with RU-486 on the rise there will be more murder, and more unborn children that will never have a chance to have there voices heard.

We live in a society that embraces a quick fix to all the problems that we face, but a quick fix is not always the right fix. What happen to taking responsibility for your actions? What ever happen to commitment? What happen to the idea of loving your children and protecting them from harm?

Now all that can be taking care of as easy as taking a pill. We have a pill for just about everything now a days. I wish we had a pill that would make the abortionist see that it is murder to terminate a life. Maybe we need a pill to give some of them a conscience.

I still believe if a woman doesn't want a child or feels like she can not afford it for any reason she should use effective birth control or self control. Pro-Choice should only apply to the act of having sex. I know that is an old fashion Idea, but if practiced it works.

As this Anniversary comes and goes again nothing has changed much, babies still die, and most of the time by repeat offenders.
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Comment by Anonymous

January 23rd 2008 16:30
We live as members of a disposable society, first it's just trash, then fetuses, then the elderly and then.....you.

Comment by Lester Caudill

January 23rd 2008 21:33
Hey Anonymous,
Very true, but what will follow that maybe get rid of the disabled people, anyone that is not able to be a productive member of society.

Remember when they starved Terri Schiavo to death. We are embarking upon dangerous times.

Comment by D. Armenta

January 24th 2008 00:34
Sigh...well, I'm curious so I'll ask. What is to be done with the millions of unwanted/abandoned/abused babies that are born into the world each year?


Are the right-to-lifers going to adopt and take care of them all, or do you folks just like to make judgements without offering solutions?

Comment by Lester Caudill

January 24th 2008 03:58
Hey D. Armenta,
Thanks for stopping by, well to answer your question.

D. if everyone would use commons sense when it comes to sex there would not be millions of unwanted children murdered before they are born, and there would not be so many unwanted babies either.

Adoption is one way, and yes there are a lot of people out there that want to adopt.

Another way is self control, and another is using protection when having sex.

If these practices are followed, murder of the unborn would not be happening now.

I believe in pro-choice, but mine is different that theirs, you see I believe if you chose to have unprotected sex you just use you freedom of choice.

Don't you believe in people taking responsibility for their actions, it's part of being an adult. Having unprotected sex is irresponsible.

Everyone knows what happens when a man and woman have sex that if they don't use precautions it could result into a pregnancy.

I don't think that a person should be allow two stupid mistakes on the same problem.

Comment by S.L. Bradish

January 25th 2008 21:12
I'm back, Lester and right with you! The abortions that come about because of "rape and incest" and a fraction of a percentage... always have been. Most of the women who kill their babies do so as a method of "birth control" and have no conscience since it is legal and praised by the liberal left.

As for you, D, there are thousands of loving, childless couples who would be delighted to adopt the millions of unwanted babies. Creating a new life isn't something that should be taken as lightly as it is these days. If you don't see something wrong with the abortion situation, maybe there's something wrong with you! Abortion is murder and there isn't any other way to look at it.

Comment by Lester Caudill

January 26th 2008 04:14
Hey S.L.
Good to have you back, and you are right creating a new life is taken so carelessly because it is so easy to get rid of that new life at the abortion clinic, and now with a drug.

If those options was taken away maybe people would think with their heads instead of their hormones. Because then they would have to take responsibility for their own actions.

Comment by D. Armenta

January 27th 2008 15:38
Thank you for your answer, Lester.

Some areas that you're not taking into consideration, though:

Before abortion was legalized in the U.S., women were getting themselves killed trying to stop unwanted pregnancies. Viewing unwanted pregnancies solely as irresponsible actions brought about by horny people is rather shortsighted, don't you think?

What about nuns who buried or burned their babies conceived by coercion into sex with unscrupulous priests? What about coerced sex in young teenage girls, who are uneducated? What about women in Southeast Asia, who drowned their girl babies as soon as they were born because 1) they were only allowed 2 children by law, 2)abortion was illegal, and 3)girl babies were considered "worthless" in their society? Well-intentioned Christian missionaries were the group who brought about the first two laws in that case. References: Really Long Link (Asia Times, 1996)
Really Long Link (Village Voice, 2003)

I feel that the attitude you're voicing here doesn't take enough variables into account; it's too black and white. The way things "should be" and the way things really are are at opposite sides of the spectrum.

Of course people should take responsibility for their actions; but assuming that the majority of unwanted pregnancies are are brought about by oversexed, thoughtless, irresponsible people is a mistake. Too many gray areas there.

Consider also the offshoots that declaring abortion as murder in the eyes of the law would produce; unscrupulous types would find many many new ways to abuse the American legal system if an unborn fetus were declared to have the same civil rights and responsibilities as those outside of the womb. The possibilities for litigation are mind-boggling, for everything from carpooling to tax breaks to manslaughter charges.

Lastly, if there are in fact enough people that want to adopt unwanted babies (and judging by your views, that number would exclude gay couples who want to adopt), why are there so many babies who have no homes in the U.S.?

Do you see what I'm trying to point out here? Saying "that's wrong" isn't enough; offering a workable solution must be a part of your statement, or you're not doing any good at all. One must take into account practical as well as moral aspects, and try to work with them to find a solution; making sweeping generalizations about "why" and railing against "them" isn't making any progress toward solving anything. Unwanted pregnancies happen; it's a fact of life. Now what do we do about it?


Comment by Lester Caudill

January 28th 2008 05:19
D. you have your opinion, and you are very well entitled to it. I don't feel I am being short sighted at all. No one has a right to violate the life of another human being.

The whole problem here is many refuse to recognize that a fetus is a human life. D. would you support the murder of infants at birth because they were the wrong sex, or the parents felt they made a bad decision which resulted in them having a child.

If this was the practice I believe there would be an uproar like never before. D. there are very little difference between an infant, and fetus. The difference is an infant is in the mothers arms, and a fetus is in here womb.

Both have a heart beat, and brain waves, both have feelings, both are a live. I know you have stated some very troubling things that have occurred, and that will continue to occur, but to punish the innocent is still wrong.

It is very black and white when you take the complete picture into view. D. the law is now if you harm a pregnant woman and it results in her losing her child you can be charged with murder so the law already supports in theory that a fetus is a human life, and is entitled to the protections given to infants.

Yes D. there are many loving couples out there that want to adopt, but in some cases the law makes impossible for them to do so. And D. you are wrong if you read my comment on Jim Stillman post Really long link I feel that children should go to the most qualified, and loving people straight or gay.

D. the world is full of problems, and a lot of things are wrong, but because there is no easy answers doesn't mean that we just turn our backs on the unborn Children that needs to have an advocate, because they most certainly can't speak for themselves.

Comment by D. Armenta

January 29th 2008 14:47
Absolutely, Lester; but that still doesn't cover all of the gray areas.

Let us take an incident that has occurred way too many times: a young and sexually uneducated girl, say 13 years old, who is seduced by an older man and who becomes pregnant.

What action would you take? Pull her out of school to have the child and give it up for adoption/ take care of the child? Make the responsible man marry the 13-year-old?

Two more points to consider: I think you're making a rather unfair assumption when you infer that some overlibidinous women rely on abortion as birth control. Ever talked to a woman who's been through one? I'm willing to bet that any woman who has will tell you what a horrible experience it was, physically and mentally. It's not something that most women would care to repeat, unless they enjoy pain.

Other point: it's long been established by the medical field that the fetal heartbeat/brainwaves do not appear until the 8th week of pregnancy. Doctors as a rule will not perform abortions past this point in pregnancy, unless the life of the mother is endangered.

Sources: American Pregnancy.org, American Medical Association

Please note that I am not trying to enter into a moral argument here; my points of debate are from a strictly practical point of view. I believe that in order to come to some sort of middle ground in this hot issue, the practical aspects must be taken into account; otherwise it degrades into "I'm right, you're wrong" bickering that serves no purpose whatsoever.

Comment by Lester Caudill

January 29th 2008 22:46
D. I agree that way to many times young girls are put into positions that are confusing, but with the education today she is not naive, and she has the knowledge to make the right decision.

I can only speak for myself on this hypothetical question. What I would do is definitely not consider abortion. I would probably home school her until the baby was born, and then make a decision on where to go from there.

No I would not force her to marry at age thirteen to a man that took advantage of her. Because in no way that man could love her, if he did he would not have put into that kind of trouble, but I would hold him responsible by law.

D. I watched an interview with Norma L. McCorvey which is Jane Roe in Roe v wade. She said that if she could she would go to the Surpreme Court and ask that Roe v Wade be over turned she now is against abortion. She carries a heavy burden to know that she is responsible for the murder of millions of unborn children in America.

It is true that abortion destroys two lives a precious child, and the mother. That is why abortion should not be given without counseling, and the mother should have other options available to her.

Abortion should not be given to minors without parents knowledge and approval. Our school system can't even give my kids an aspirin without my permission, how can they give an abortion without a parent knowledge or permission.


Week 6 - Gestational Age (Fetal age 4 weeks)
5 ˝ to 6 ˝ weeks is usually a very good time to detect either a fetal pole or even a fetal heart beat by vaginal ultrasound. The fetal pole is the first visible sign of a developing embryo. This pole structure actually has some curve to it with the embryo’s head at one end and what looks like a tail at the other end.
AmericanPregnancy.org Most women would just suspect that they are pregnant by this time.

D.
62.5% had abortion before week nine.
17.3% had abortions between 9 to 10 weeks.
9.4% had abortions between 11 to 12 weeks.
6.5% had abortions between 13 to 15 weeks.
3.3% had abortions between 16 to 20 weeks.
1% had abortions after 21 weeks.

My information is from the Guttmacher Institute Abortion is a very volatile subject, and should be handle very delicate arguing just causes closed minds instead of creating solutions.

Thanks D. for your comments. I don't know your position on abortion, but I hope you see my point.

I guess what makes me so hard-core pro-life is when I went to a local college for a Biology Class there were nine jars ranging from a very small one to a very large one in a row, they were filled with aborted babies, from the first month to ninth month. That affected me very deeply.





Comment by D. Armenta

January 31st 2008 02:41
I can understand your deep distress from seeing aborted babies in jars, Lester.

What makes me so hard-core about not making such black-and-white assumptions is the memory of trying (and failing) to resuscitate the body of a girl who had been coerced into sex by her 19-year-old cousin, then called a "worthless slut" and "ruined" by her parents when she became pregnant.

She was a 12-year-old born-again Christian who hanged herself.

Comment by D. Armenta

January 31st 2008 02:45
P.S.--she did not understand anything about sex or pregnancy because her parents homeschooled her and never taught her that part..she didn't know she was pregnant until her mother noticed her having morning sickness.

So much for "the knowledge to make the right decision."

Comment by D. Armenta

January 31st 2008 02:53
P.P.S.--

Week 6 - Gestational Age (Fetal age 4 weeks)
5 ˝ to 6 ˝ weeks is usually a very good time to detect either a fetal pole or even a fetal heart beat by vaginal ultrasound. The fetal pole is the first visible sign of a developing embryo. This pole structure actually has some curve to it with the embryo’s head at one end and what looks like a tail at the other end. AmericanPregnancy.org Most women would just suspect that they are pregnant by this time.

Women who are educated in matters of reproduction know that if a menstrual cycle is missed (30 days, or 4 weeks) it's time to get a pregnancy test.

From the same source: fetal heartbeat is not usually detected until week 8. Sometimes one is detected at week 6, but not often.

Comment by Lester Caudill

February 2nd 2008 03:27
D. I know that must have been a horrible scene, but abortion would not have been an issue here. The issue here was bad parents. A parent has the moral obligation to teach their children about sex, and the consequences that follow.

It is a parent's job to protect their children, and be very selective of who they are with at all times. It's a parent's job to be understanding and compassionate when children make mistakes.

Being a born again Christian, and home schooling does not make any one a bad parent or person. I am sure you will find a large number of home schooled born again christians that have had, or have support someone that has had an abortion.

I happen to be one born again Christian that sends his kids to public school, and I don't believe in abortion. The problem with abortion is once it's done it's final. Many women have had their life destroyed by abortion.

The parents in this story handled it very wrong, and very heartless. It not that they home schooled, or that they were born again Christians, It's just they were very, very bad parents, and human beings.

Week 6 - Gestational Age (Fetal age 4 weeks)
5 ˝ to 6 ˝ weeks is usually a very good time to detect either a fetal pole or even a fetal heart beat by vaginal ultrasound. The fetal pole is the first visible sign of a developing embryo. This pole structure actually has some curve to it with the embryo’s head at one end and what looks like a tail at the other end. AmericanPregnancy.org

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